Calvin had free will too!
So stop saying otherwise. I’ve lost all patience for both my calvinistic and free will friends. Why must we believe one and not the other? Both are outlined in scripture.
Ephesians 1:3-5: 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Obviously, there is a degree of predestination. To deny that would be antibiblical. But…
Deuteronomy 30:19-20: 19 This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Joshua 24:14-15: 14 “Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. 15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
2 Samuel 24:12 “Go and tell David, ‘This is what the LORD says: I am giving you three options. Choose one of them for me to carry out against you.’ “
John 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
…there is plently of evidence for free will as well. So why should it be so hard to accept both as Biblical doctrine and instead of asking “which”, ask “how”? If you ask “which is correct”, you will come to the Biblical conclusion that, indeed, both are. So now ask “how do they work in tandem”.
Since this is my time to write my mind, it only follows that I would provide you with my opinion – however dull and stupid – on the subject at hand. So here you are, you lucky/poor thing, you…
I believe they are two sides of the exact same coin. We shall broadly label this coin ‘perspective’. Side A will be called ‘eternal’ and side B will be called ‘carnal’. One of the subdivisions of ‘eternal perspective’ is called ‘predestination’ and is only viewed fully by the eternal, aka God. Now there is a subdivision of ‘carnal perspective’ called ‘free will’ and it is really no more than an extremely simplified vision of ‘predestination’.
The way we see the scheme of things is called free will and the way that God sees the scheme of things is called predestination. The difference is in the scope with which the issue is viewed. We see from a very limited, carnal perspective, whereas God sees from an unlimited and eternal perspective. As an eternal being, it only follows that God would see things in this light. Likewise, as carnal beings, it only follows that we would see things from a carnal point of view. We see it as free will to choose what we want to because they are our decisions to make. God sees it as already set in stone and controlled by Him because He does, indeed, control the circumstances and knows exactly what we’ll choose.
The real question is why do we continue to try and explain God’s point of view in its entirety when we know full well that His thoughts and ways are higher than our own? Why do we suppose that we, carnal and limited, can understand that which is eternal and unlimited? That’s like trying to define a style sheet without knowing how to write CSS. Why would you do that?